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Cuidado — RV and towed-vehicle permits also new to Mexican officials
By Mike Madriaga, Oct. 20, 2017
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When the Baja 1000 races roll around next month (November 14–18), some Americans crossing into Mexico might be in for a big surprise. Recently, travelers crossing through the San Ysidro, Otay, Tecate, and Mexicali borders in their RVs have reportedly been denied entrance into Mexico; others had the option of paying a new $52 fee.


Getting a permit through this Mexican national bank is possible, but “The process is long and confusing, and everything is in Spanish.”
“This is a new [temporary import permit] rule that just started being enforced for travelers going to Baja California,” said Jennifer Kramer from Discover Baja Travel Club. “[Until recently] Baja used to be a ‘free zone’ for vehicle importation permits [and were] exempt from regulations that are in place for U.S. citizens traveling into mainland Mexico.”

"Snow" and her husband drove down from Canada last month in their 40-foot motorhome that was pulling a 1997 Jeep Wrangler. Both of them are retired and during this time of year they stay warm at the tip of the peninsula.

“[We] only read about the new rules on RVs a matter of days prior to our scheduled crossing,” she said, "[and we] decided to wing it and try [to enter Mexico] without a [permit].”

They entered through Tecate and “they didn’t mention anything about the [permit, but] they asked for the ownership on both vehicles and checked that the [vehicle identification] numbers matched the vehicles on our ownership [papers], which matched our [registration] and passports.”

They crossed at Tecate without paying $104 (the cost of two permits plus a deposit for the Jeep) and drove the 1000 miles to their winter home in San José del Cabo.

Not all RVs enter into Baja California as easily, though. “[Worst case,] you will get turned away at the border crossing into Mexico and not be allowed into the country,” Kramer said, if the aduanas (Mexican customs) ask for your permit and you don’t have one.

Kramer's parents started Discover Baja Travel Club 26 years ago, and she’s been involved with the company ever since. In the past five years she has been the marketing director for the company, which handles Mexican auto insurance, FMM tourist permits, temporary importation permits, and Mexican fishing licenses. “We stay up-to-date with everything happening in Baja and are often the first to let U.S. citizens know about new rules, regulations, and news.”

Kramer said the new towing rules started about a month ago and that “unfortunately the Mexican government doesn’t have anything in writing about the new regulations.” She said that through “multiple conversations with aduanas and immigration at all land ports of entry,” the new regulations are effective immediately and are as follows:

Motorhomes not towing anything are able to get a temporary import permit good for ten years. Motorhomes towing vehicles will need to get the ten-year permit on the motorhome and a six-month permit on the vehicle. The vehicle will have to leave the country within six months or the deposit will be forfeited.

Motorhomes towing accessories (for example, trailers that contain motorcycles or jet skis) will only be issued a six-month permit but will not have to make a deposit. Trucks towing fifth wheels and camper trailers will have to get two permits — a six-month permit for the truck and a ten-year permit on the trailer. A deposit will be required for the truck (depending on the value of the vehicle but normally ranges from $200 to $600) but will be refunded when you exit the country and return your permit.

Trucks towing utility trailers or toys do not need to get any permits. All boats over 14.7 ft. are required to get a ten-year permit. Many of the travelers are posting comments of disbelief on their social media forums regarding the new laws because many of them haven’t been told about the permits when entering into Baja in their RVs in the past couple of weeks. Others are saying, “I told you so” and posting both Kramer’s website and a link to a national bank of Mexico, Banjercito. A permit can be purchased for approximately $52 from Banjercito.

Kramer’s website can also handle the paperwork for an additional fee. “Many of our members prefer to have us handle their paperwork, as the rules are complicated,” she said. “The process is long and confusing, and everything is in Spanish.”

When I asked Snow what she and her hubby would do if they asked for their permits upon entering into Mexico, she said, “I was planning to be a dumb blonde gringa if that happened and hope we could do it on the spot.… I think maybe you can [purchase the permits] at the Banjercito [at the border] if needed.”

Kramer’s website also states another law that will affect a lot of visitors and businesses: “A vehicle [that’s not an RV] can no longer tow another vehicle into Mexico (i.e., a truck cannot tow a car into Mexico). If you need to tow another vehicle, we recommend that you have someone drive the second vehicle across the border if possible and then hook up to tow the vehicle once across the border.”

Regarding the racers and their families driving in with their RVs and loaded trailers come mid-November, “Usually the participants in the Baja 1000 get special permission to be a part of the event without getting [permits, along with other special treatment],” Kramer said.

Spectators for the Baja 1000’s 50th anniversary might not have such clout, though: they are advised to have all of the proper paperwork in order when crossing into Mexico.

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Post by dean on Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:24 am

and as a caution, I will note this..

A note to people with the campers, there has been discussions that campers and so on now need TIP (temporary import permits)   they do not check for them at the border and you cannot get them right at the border crossing.    I have the location listed below for Otay for TJ.     You cannot get one in Tecate.     And they are said to be up to 10 year permits.   The issue becomes if you get in an accident, no different than in the USA if it is a MAJOR accident the insurance company then goes into are you completely legal.    When I say no different then the usa a friend from college after he graduated from law school was hired by such a law firm who that was their specialization.    (He could not wait till he could get out of that firm.)    Essentially when it was a potentially huge payout the insurance company hired that law firm to dig into every possible way they could deny paying out the claim.    This would include any technical violation like expired plates and so on.   So this certainly could be the case in Mexico too with TIP now required.   If someone can get a lawyer to fill us in that would be nice.  

with the bottom links you can apply before you leave and get it, takes 23 weeks


here is the locations where to get a TIP, it is by otay mesa and I have maps for you.


http://la-ventana.forumotion.com/t145-registering-vehicles-and-importation-of-them-and-other-items

http://la-ventana.forumotion.com/t311-aduana-banjerco-get-a-car-tempory-pass-in-tj-otay-mesa-map

also I show how to get to Ensenada from this area....   in another  thread
http://la-ventana.forumotion.com/t267-going-south-from-otay-crossing-to-ensenada

tip via mail 2-3 weeks
http://www.discoverbaja.com/go/motorhome-temporary-import-permits/

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Post by dean on Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:05 pm

lpg wrote:I  am not a motor home owner but I have done some recent research and have slightly different information (from the Government). And it sounds confusing. My research agrees that all RV's must have a TIP. And the reason you are not stopped at the border is because often the TIP is not issued at the border, but rather in a separate location close to the border and the assumption is - you know the law and will proceed to the TIP office. There are two different agencies involved with TIP's.  First is the garden variety TIP with a termination date tied to whether you are a Visitor (6 month) or a Resident Temporal (good for up to 4 years). This TIP is issued by Banjercito and involves little, besides presentation of Vehicle Documentation and an application with fee's. This is specifically for vehicles with a gross weight of up to (check me on this because the weight is from memory) 7,300 pounds or 2-1/2 long tons. You CAN tow another vehicle with this permit, as long as you don't exceed the weight restriction. Smaller RV's are legal using this class of TIP.
So what happens if you exceed that 2-1/2 long ton weight restriction? Well in the eyes of the Mexican Government you are entering with a "Commercial Vehicle" and you can still get a TIP for it BUT you now fall under the jurisdiction of Mexican Customs (Aduana), and they impose additional requirements. The biggie is the need for a "mechanical inspection" certificate which is the same requirement as large trucks. So be prepared to spend a little time getting this permit. But it is worth it because you may make multiple entries for up to 10 years. And my information is different than the article as you CAN tow another vehicle with one of these Aduana TIP's, however the towed vehicle can only have the lower class (Banjercito) TIP. Even though this is the Aduana controlled TIP you still need to pay all the fee's to Banjercito.
Another caveat I discovered was; if the "RV" is registered as a bus, you cannot get a TIP as it is barred from Mexico unless it is Imported.
A link for a little more information is: Temporary importation of mobile homes

Sorry if this sounds confusing, but it is.


    Just received the Discover Baja newsletter and they have an article describing the new regulations for bringing your RV into Baja.  For more info, go to: http://www.discoverbaja.com/go/motorhome-temporary-import-permits/


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