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Post by dean on Mon May 17, 2010 12:03 pm

Here is my take on the water issue lately. a water main broke again is what originally happened, I drove down to see, it was by the water plant. Water was all over. It was bad timing for me because I am doing some repairs to my concrete water tank. My water line is before two of the main cutoffs to the north of me on the campground side so they never turn off my water as they do in some other areas. I also have a second plastic tinaca on my roof with 1 cubic meter. So I was fine as they were turning the water on at night and I use about 0.3 CM per day. Per US gov websites the average American uses from 25-50 gallons of water a day, assume same here in mexico as we continue with same patterns.

After they fixed the leak temporarily they worked on it more the next couple days. I did not investigate. So we had more outages during the day only.

Note they put in a 3 inch pvc water pipe in about a month ago. 3 inches is not large and they started in el sargento and did not split off anywhere except near shrimp factory from what I saw or heard. This tube is much smaller than the existing lines that currently supply us. they are building a platform in front of the shrimp factory where it is rumored will be a large water tank for people to fill jugs with if they want better quality water, they ran a line under the road with a 3 inch pipe to this spot.

A few days later after the break, not related to the break, I saw some people at the water treatment plant and stopped in. as most know my Spanish is close to nil. What I saw and they allowed my to do is look at all equipment, it is a complete de-sal/RO system of a mid sized scale. I did not see a UV sterilizer if it is needed, generally from well water it is not needed. The guys working told me it was almost finished a day or two to go. I could see they were just working on the electronics controls at this point. I asked how many people it was for, in my quanto personas spanglish. They understood my question but I could see puzzlement. So they, after thought came back and said tres cientos metros per dia. So it was a better answer about 300 cubic meters of water a day is the capacity. This is roughly enough for about 400 families if not using a ton of water. As we know many people are not metered.

Next I asked when it would be running since it was almost finished. They said they did not know, and that there had to be another well dug before they would up and operational. At least that is what my limited spanglish I understood they were telling me. Very nice guys.

Now because I am repairing my pila, I have been running off city pressure for awhile while diagnosing and taking corrective actions 1.5 months. So I have more observed data than normal. I use to be very high water pressure as of this year not really needing my water pump. But as of today (last few days) I do not have to use my water pump but the pressure is much lower than before.

Here is what my notes show, (yes I have a computer file with notes on water readings and notes from the month I bought my property 11 years ago, aren’t computers great.) on 5/13 the water was coming out white in appearance. But when it sat it was clear. So it has a ton of air in it. the next day not as bad, but in a clear glass the water bubbles settled on the sides which I had never seen. Because I have a water dissolved solids tester I tested the first day when it was white and it was now about 360 ppm this was amazing. Our water over the years except the two when we were getting LosPlanes water has been getting worst to go from 2000 ppm to about 3000 ppm. LosPlanes water was about 120ppm.

Right now our water is ok at 560ppm and you can tell when brushing your teeth. So I did a test, I have 3 tomato plants and watered them, normally I give them bottled water because our normal water kills them. After three days my plants show extra growth. IE they did not die, which the old water would do immediately, just a day or two.

So here is my guess on what is going on. They are giving us decent water for now on the main city lines till the new well is drilled (I asked the guys when that would be, I asked week, month, they gave me the I do not know gestures, and when I asked anyos they laughed and said you know Mexico; and they said they had no idea. So my guess is we may have decent water for a bit but do not get use to it. that once they get the new well dug and running they will move the good water to the three inch pipe which appears only the Mexican village area of El Sargento and LaVentana may get it. and all others not in those areas will be allowed to come fill jugs to get decent water, or all of us have to get jugs eventually, only the Lapaz water god really knows..

What this also can mean is since the villagers are getting other water that should open up water availability for 400 more homes, but not the good water. But we never know, maybe they will put less demand on the existing well that is getting worse.

Note that with good water you possibly can cut back about 50% on your watering of plants because it is able to absorb at a greater rate. Any plant gurus around to inform us? I have always used 2-3 inch pvc tubes in the ground with drip to minimize evaporation.

For some other trivia, I have read a desal plant uses 4KWHs of electricity for every 1 CM.

With the air that was in the water I decided to put an air separator in. But from what I can see it use to take about 17 cm to fill my water tank and this time with the air separator it took 14cms. So about a 20% savings, and as we know our bills are not linear so this can save a lot of money when you hit higher tiers. The air separator itself was $150 pesos, I found a really good one, I had bought a 100 peso one at a hardware store but it was not very good. Because I had most of the copper fittings I am not sure the entire project cost, but guess is about 400 pesos.

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Re: local water issues

Post by dean on Mon May 17, 2010 12:14 pm




notes,

between the tee I used and the air separator, I used reducers to go to 1/2 from 3/4, you do not want to do this if possible. I did this because the fist air separator i found was only a 1/2 thread. But the new one was 1" so rather than start over I adapted.

You should use 3/4", so reduce the air separator from 1" threaded with a copper reducer to 3/4". then into the tee 3/4". Remember the Tee is 1/2" on two sides with the middle 3/4" and that is a critical part. I suggest if you are up north, you buy all copper parts up there and bring them with you.

The copper Union on the other side of the water meter is critical so you can have the air separator a vertical a possible. the attachment at the water meter has play to allow that side to line up properly. attach at the meter side first then tighten the copper union.


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Re: local water issues

Post by dean on Wed May 19, 2010 8:02 am

1 (cubic meter) = 264.172052 US gallons

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high water bills?

Post by dean on Wed May 19, 2010 9:17 am

high water bills?


http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/sq3.html

here is a site to estimate your water usage.

here are some numbers.

Your own per capita use: 72 gallons per day

Does 72 gallons sound about right for the day's activities you entered on the form? You probably realize that the number is only an estimate. First, we're not taking into account everything you use water for, such as cooking and dog washing. And, water use for all activites vary by individual. You might use five gallons to wash dishes by hand, but your sister might use ten. You might leave the water running when you brush your teeth, but your brother might not. If you live in a newer house, your toilet probably uses less water per flush than the toilet in a very old house. Newer houses also have shower and faucet heads that use less water than before (look at the end piece on your sink faucet -- it should have the number of gallons per minute that it will allow stamped in it).

Here are the numbers we used in our calculations:

Bath: 50 gallons
Shower: 2 gallons per minute
Teeth brushing: 1 gallon
Hands/face washing: 1 gallon
Face/leg shaving: 1 gallon
Dishwasher: 20 gallons/load
Dishwashing by hand: 5 gallons/load
Clothes washing (machine): : 10 gallons/load
Toilet flush: 3 gallons
Glasses of water drunk: 8 oz. per glass (1/16th of a gallon)

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drilling

Post by dean on Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:15 am

e. We are a new water well drilling company coming to the Los cabos area. We live in the East Cape area and will be performing all types of water drilling, desal, septic and plumbing related needs. We have an attorney in place in Cabo to help with the well permitting process .Please check out our website and feel free to contact us at anytime.
www.bajawaterwellsandservices.com or 208-661-5334


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Post by dean on Thu May 09, 2013 7:42 am

here is Barriles water issues and how they are attempting to deal with it.

from BPE

would like to take a moment and address some of the issues regarding water service, or lack of, north of Los Barriles. Number one, as I write this the new pump is being installed but the problem out north is not with the pump nor with the water table as we have plenty of water. Originally the city water was put in by Sr. Juan Campos, the developer of Lomas de Pedregal, in order for him to be able to sell his lots. The city was of course happy to do this as Sr. Campos footed the bill. Once the water and power became available the area took off as can be seen today but the water company has done nothing but add branch lines and a bunch of shut off valves which have become the present problem. Not only is the system not engineered these valves are now turned on and off depending on which area has complained the loudest or whatever until recently some of the owners have discovered where the valves are located and which ones they have to close in order for them to get water. Due to the fact the community is 95% foreign the water co. in La Paz knows little of this situation. I have a couple of ideas that might help but need your help. Please let the water co. in La Paz hear your complaint by whatever means. Phone calls, letters, petition whatever. The head man in La Paz is, Ing. Germán Ignacio Ruiz Padilla and the phone number is 612-123-8600. Secondly pay attention and report anyone seen messing with the valves and if that doesn’t work they will have to be secured with chains and locks of which the community would probably have to supply! And finally, if those having problems could send me a short report once a week noting the times you have been without water so we can get an idea of the area’s most needing attention and I promise to deliver said reports personally to Ing. Ruiz in La Paz. If you would please put water in the subject line it will help me separate the mails easier. Thank you and let’s do it! Regards, Dennis
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Water Utility Regulation in Mexico: Lessons Shared at a Rece

Post by dean on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:56 am

http://warrington.ufl.edu/centers/purc/purcdocs/papers/0720_padowski_water_utility_regulation.pdf


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Re: local water issues

Post by dean on Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:54 am

http://www.paot.org.mx/centro/boletin/agosto/estadisticas_agua_mexico_07.pdf

mexico water study

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What are PROFEPA and SEMARNAT and what do they do?

Post by dean on Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:06 am

 What are PROFEPA and 
SEMARNAT and what do they 
do?


 This is taken from the English version of each website:
PROFEPA www.profepa.gob.mx
The Federal Attorney for Environmental Protection 
(PROFEPA - Procuradur√a Federal de Protecciƒn al 
Ambiente) was legally born on June 4th, 1992 as a 
division of the Ministry of Environment and Natural 
Resources (SEMARNAT - Secretar√a de Medio 
Ambiente y Recursos Naturales) with technical and 
operational autonomy.
MISSION
Seek environmental justice through the strict 
enforcement of the Law, banishing impunity, 
corruption, indolence and lack of authority, and 
involving all sectors of society and the three levels 
of Government in this fight, under the most pure 
principles of fairness and justice.



SEMARNAT Sets the policy: www.
semarnat.gob.mx
The Ministry of Environment and Natural Resources 
(Secretaría de Medio Ambiente y Recursos Naturales, 
Semarnat) is a federal government agency whose main 
purpose is to promote the protection, restoration and 
conservation of ecosystems and natural resources. 
PROFEPA is the enforcement arm of SEMARNAT.
http://www.bajacitizen.com/Editions/september52011.pdf

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Re: local water issues

Post by dean on Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:48 pm

baja western onion wrote:Water - When we first built our house, 3 miles north of Todos Santos 10 years ago, the city water filled our tinaco every night. We have a legal contract with the water company and a meter that indicates how much water we use. Now, we get water to our street once a week if we're really lucky, If you plan to build or buy a home in Todos Santos, please be aware of our fragile and over burdened water situation. Insist on a meter when installing a water tap. Be conservative in your water consumption. Thank you ☞ Jamie Stephens, cliffnjamies@hotxxxx.com

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